Trump reminds people he opposed the Iraq war.
Carson wouldn’t quit before the Iowa caucus… Rand Paul quit before New Hampshire…
Cruz campaign took CNN’s word about Ben Carson quitting. Derp!
Christie calls out Rubio on being a debater, but never having to work with people to make government work.
He calls Rubio out on spewing talking points.
Cruz wants to stop North Korea from firing missles.
Kasich wants to intercept ships and search them.
Jeb wants to destroy them.
Which is an act of war.
Jeb, Rubio, Christie, all want to bomb North Korea, which would start a World War with China…
Kasich wants Amnesty.
Cruz wants to be stricter on illegal immigration.
Rubio, says that is pointless…
Christie calls out Rubio for playing politics with immigration.
Trump get criticized for making sure everybody gets health care.
Jeb, kicks Trump on eminent domain.
And points out that GOP donors are booing him in the debate audience.
Of course the New York Times endorses wishy washy John Kasich who even Bernie Sanders could beat.
Rubio, can’t get off his Obama talking points… The Manchurian Candidate from Cuba.
Mr. Cruz, Vietnam proved carpet bombing didn’t work..
Cruz, air power didn’t work in Vietnam, you need boots on the ground. And we will NEVER bomb the oil, ISIS is there so we can GET the oil!
Carpet bombing civilians prolongs the war. A prolonged war is very profitable.
“Destroy everything, then leave!” Another vacuum for al Qaeda!
Cruz is nuts!
Rubio, if they haven’t fought ISIS yet, meaning the Muslims in the region, WHEN will they. YOU can’t make them!
You can’t “ask more of the Saudi’s…” THEY funded ISIS, you ARROGANT Dipshit!
A global war on ISIS, when will he realize that invading and bombing the Arab world, makes Arabs not like you?!!
Trump has a point about taking the oil.
Trump wants to go after ISIS funding! Oh shit! He is pissing rich people off!
He’s right if you go after their strength, which is their funding, they can’t reload and re-arm to do anything, and they will pick up and leave as they already have…
Jeb comes out for bombing and occupation of the middle east. What a shock.
Carson tries hard to seem relevant. He’s just not.
Cruz, is against waterboarding. And the audience hushes… Are you kidding me?
Trump and Jeb like torture…
Rubio, is for indefinite detention and torture.
Cruz, using Executive Orders with Executive Orders, to defend the Constitution, which he apparently never read.
Jeb wants to send power back to the states. But that would refocus the bureaucracy. More money, more power. Whether it’s DC or the state capitol.
Cruz and Christie strong on drug policy.
Rubio has talking points. But that’s it.
Carson makes a good point about Hillary abandoning troops in Benghazi.
If Kasich thinks a vet is drug free, he needs to see the rate of soldiers treated with psychotropic drugs and have mental disorders. That is an irresponsible statement. They are broken and need treatment before they need jobs!
Rubio points out the media hypocrisy slamming Republicans while ignoring the issue and not pressing it on Democrats.
First decent point addressed and made here in the last 10 minutes of this BORING debate!
Jeb Bush speaking fast and spewing words, resembles a guy who can’t swim and is drowning with no one around to help him…
Carson, thousands of people did NOT draft you for President. You contracted with call centers like InfoCision to call people and harass them for money so you could spend their money to run. You are a FRAUD!
Ted Cruz did NOT stand up to Washington when he left to fundraise, while legislation to Audit the Federal Reserve Bank was on the table, and voted down. Which kept the power of the big banks, intact. Try again Ted.
Trump was the only person not hurt here… We will have to wait and see what the voters decide.
Looks like Trump, Cruz, Rubio, and everybody else is dead in the water.
Does Hillary have a cold, wtf?
On healthcare Bernie stands with the people, Hillary stands with Wall St.
Asking corporations to bail out college debt is admirable. But how is that gonna happen in the political process, when candidates depend on campaign contributions for big donations, in order to screw the taxpayer?
How can Hillary defend Obamneycare when insurance companies wrote the bill to gain a monopoly and cut plans for higher cost of lesser plans thanks to… LACK OF COMPETITION!!!
Hillary, Obama aint progressive, he took Wall St. money and continued the fucking wars!
Bernie wants to pull money back into America, through regulation, Hillary wants to do corporations bidding and let them write the regulations… Both options are bad for America.
College degrees don’t mean shit. What you need is investment in skilled labor positions to rebuild this country. All college does is over-qualify you for a job and put you into debt slavery to the banks!
She can’t say she will work across the aisle when she still believes she is the target of a “vast right wing conspiracy!” It’s one or the other… Numbnuts!
Hillary NOBODY CARES about you being a woman! We tried the 1st African American and he was incompetent! Gender doesn’t MATTER!
Hillary and who owns her is threatened by Sanders policies, he is running for the people, she is running for who oppresses the people. And trying to convince the people, Bernie is a threat to them…. What a liar.
If Bernie wants to take money out of politics, fine. But all that does, like the Campaign Finance Reform Bill, is give corporations the incentive to lobby to cut out the grassroots and political activists, and exempt corporations and Super PAC’s, including the one that even Bernie, himself had. If you want to cap campaign ad financing, and limit political ads til 30 days before the elections, that’s one thing. But money itself isn’t the issue. The structure needs to be changed. Changing one tool, does nothing. They just adapt and move on with their agendas. Campaign Finance Reform is a THREAT to free speech, primarily the PEOPLE’S! The corporations can BUY access.
Bernie kills Hillary when she lies to say that campaign contributions don’t influence her, when her top donor’s are Wall St investment houses and bankers that cannibalized the economy with their bailouts, which she supported.
Hillary punts, and tries to sell the idea that since she is attacked, that immunizes her from being corrupt. Apples and Oranges.
Hillary was for deregulation and her husband and his administration lead the way. To say that Bernie played a role in that when he opposed it, is outright lying.
Bernie hits Hillary with her speaking fee bankers getting to buy their way out of jail, while the people get sent to jail.
Bernie wants to break up the banks. Hillary wants to use law as an excuse not to, the same law, the banks lobbied for and wrote, and paid people like Hillary to pass…
Hillary punts on disclosure of her speeches companies like Goldman Sachs paid her to do. Embarrassing for somebody running on competency, accountability and being “tough on Wall St.”
Bernie is serious about cracking down on the Bankers, Hillary is not…
How does Hillary get away with “I know… I have been in the arena with them…” When while she was in the arena, they STILL did what they did, and got away with it. INCOMPETENCE running as competence, is STILL INCOMPETENCE! You were there, you knew them, and you did NOTHING or let them get away with it, and want to call THAT accountability! FUCK YOU!
For Hillary to say she wants air power and special forces but no ground troops is an example of why politicians lost Vietnam. You need boots on the ground to hold gains and expel insurgents and combatants. Vietnam proved air power doesn’t win against insurgents. Special forces isn’t enough. You need a monopoly of force on the ground to contain the enemy.
Bernie hits Hillary on Iraq…
Hillary is speaking too much “I was there…” SO FUCKING WHAT, YOU DIDN’T DO ANYTHING! Make a case and stand up or stand out, you stood in line with terrible policy, like the war, and want to run on that, and ask the voters to allow you to clean up your mess, that you made in the 1st place!
Bernie believes in diplomacy, and Hillary believes in sanctions and war as policy, even while the Secretary of State, whose JOB is to use diplomacy to PREVENT WAR! She is discarding her own experience!
How is Russia a threat for acting like a superpower? Are China, America, and Britain, to be the only superpowers? So much for a global economy… Exploit your people, grow your economy, but leave the door open so the big 3 can still push you around? Gee, I wonder why Russia and countries like them, and the new emerging economies do not want to be brought down to the level of decline as the big 3 have been and will continue to be.
They have every right to act on their interests, just as we say WE have a right to do!
Russia was given assurances that NATO would never expand to the border of Russia…
It now does…
Russia is scared, doesn’t trust America, why should they?
Why does America have to pay for the security of Europe, when Communism is DEAD! And we have no money and wide open borders back here at home?
The VA is suffering typically the same problems with any government program with waste and inefficiency. So Hillary wants to keep the VA under the government and think that is reform? WTH?
If Bernie won’t stand up for the integrity of the vote, and for his voters, HE is a FRAUD!
Hillary has plenty of meandering narratives, but never details. And in elections details MATTER!
At least Bernie tells you what he will do.. Hillary has a lot of “plans” that she never actually gets around to explaining or discussing… EVER!
“Trust me” is NOT a resume of qualifications to lead…
Hillary doesn’t get it. The problem with the emails is that you are escaping accountability. The problem with Benghazi is that you GOT the 3 AM phone call, and DIDN’T ANSWER, and that FAILURE led to the DEATH and TORTURE of American’s overseas!
THAT IS THE ISSUE… YOU ARE INCOMPETENT! AND ARE TRYING TO SELL YOUR FAILURES AS JUSTIFICATION OF YOUR PERCEIVED ENTITLEMENT TO HAVE WHAT YOU WISH ON YOUR WHIM ALONE!
That ARROGANCE in the face of your INCOMPETENCE questions your competency and questions your ability to lead… the nation!
Bill “I did not have… sexual… relations with that woman…”
Hillary “I have no concern about it (email scandal) whatsoever…”
If Bernie won’t care to see the law enforced about Classified material because it’s Hillary breaking the law… What about the rest of the Classified material, disclosure of, by definition puts America at risk of sabotage, espionage, and terrorism?
Talk about being soft on Terrorism!!!
If it was W. Bush disclosing the attack on Iraq in his emails, Sanders would be raising HELL!
Yet another punt of Bernie, regarding Hillary.
He isn’t running against her, he is running FOR her!
How in the hell can you be for the death penalty, but against the government carrying it out…???
She is such a politician, trying to have it both ways…
Sanders doesn’t want to see government a part of killing as far as the death penalty, but supports bombing ISIS which kills civilians enslaved by them?!!
Again, like Hillary trying to have it both ways…!!!
Of course Hillary is for federal intervention, on the Flint, MI water crisis, when government has already FAILED!
Circling the drain…
And Sanders agrees…
And neither of these bastards had a word to say, when BP was spraying toxic Corexit dispersant, after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill, even spraying it inland, when the spill was in the water!
Sanders is right on trade allowing corporate America to take jobs overseas, and leave the people so impoverished, they can’t buy the cheap crap from China, here in America.
This has become reality.
Sanders is realistic about it.
Hillary and the media, are not…
Hillary wants more government intervention… Wants to create jobs with small businesses, when the Obamneycare bill TAXES every new hire for each employer… She is full of Shit!
Hillary believes you go through committees and push for reform, when it was she, herself, who FAILED to do that, with Hillarycare, the precursor to Obamneycare….
She is a failure! And using those failures as excuses for her to have supreme authority. Ridiculous…
The last thing you need in a depressed economy, when jobs are scarce, is to double and triple the labor pool, and the safety net, when government is simultaneously cutting services in the name of Austerity!
Sanders and Hillary are wrong on immigration and the economy, here…
Again, Bernie trumps Campaign Finance Reform, where the corporations and the lobbyist, write the bill, to give themselves even more exemptions and throw more barriers to engage in the political process to the American people. Making an already unrepresentative government, MORE unrepresentative!
Hillary promises the same “top to bottom” review of government, that has helped government increase, year after year… after year…
Hillary trumpets the endorsement of a war criminal. Of her running the State Department, that was AWOL when American diplomats were attacked and murdered in Benghazi… The GALL of that woman, on display for all to see!
Hillary, endless platitudes and generalities… are NOT DETAILS!
How FUCKING vague can you be!?!
Yes, they are both bad. But at least Sanders has something to say that isn’t empty and vague…
Hillary is running a “Where’s the beef?” campaign strategy. And Bernie is at least countering with details and conviction, even if his polices are misguided. But they are both bad, for America. And will continue the steady decline… Sad.
Political parties are private clubs. They make their own rules. They decide how to advertise and publicize their property, the political process. They can highlight anyone the want to, and banish anyone they want to, arbitrarily and without explanation. They can raise money, spend money, and funnel money to candidates or non profit entities to oppose or promote policy or particular candidates.
Each candidate from the party has to sign off on the agenda of the party, pledge allegiance to it’s by laws, even to their detriment. And realize that by their membership and inclusion in the party, they implied consent to whatever the party decides.
From time to time, you get people like Ms. Fiorina, who are insulted by how they are marginalized and diminished by the party, and the corporate media. No matter how much they prostrate themselves upon the altar of unquestioned fealty to the state, and the statists.
But these cries ring hollow.
The hardened and most seasoned cynic among us already knows that she is only decrying the result of the process and not the process itself. And therefore has no standing to be listened to, or even acknowledged by anyone, just as her party has willfully chose to not acknowledge and actively marginalize her.
Yes this is ironic. But it gets worse for Ms. Fiorina as she is running to run the nation and the government… like a business. Like a CEO of a corporation, even though her record as CEO of Hewlett Packard was abysmal.
Like many of her fellow travelers in the GOP, she has failed in the private sector, and is using that “experience in the arena” as her sole qualification to run the country.
Some of them, like Mike Huckabee, now out, use running for President itself to become a Millionaire….
Or to get a contract to be a teleprompter reader for the corporate media, like FOX. This also includes canidate John Kasich, who took money to have a short run on FOX News Channel, as an employee for the same Corporation that is marginalizing him, and the rest of the crew, aside from Trump, Rubio, the two most liberal candidates in the GOP, and Cruz who is the most reckless, and inconsistent, while always being wise to speak the red meat talking points to appeal to the common man, as he does the bidding for his wife’s employer, Goldman Sachs. A hypocrisy put on display where Cruz, speaks out against the Federal Reserve’s easy lending practices, with no oversight, but then doesn’t even bother to show up to vote to hold the Fed accountable under the law, as he sees his more important function to campaign for higher office to serve the people up to his corporate masters.
Basically campaigns have become a version of Corporate “American Idol,” where candidates the corporations select, get to grovel before them, and the American people. The corporation then gets to favor and deliver to the American people their preferred candidate or slate of candidates, and can then marginalize the rest to oblivion and irrelevance.
We haven’t even had an actual election. Just a caucus. And already multiple candidates have been cast out of the process, before 49 states have had their say. Is this Democracy, or Plutocracy?
Forget about citizen governance. That ship left the boat with the 1st political dynasty in America… The Adams family… (insert joke here).
Now you have to be rich, or a gofer for one of two political parties, with tissue thin differences, and alliances on principles of the role and necessity of government. They do not question government, just the extent of how far it’s reach and impact on the day to day lives of Americans, and non Americans alike, all over the world.
The slogans and ad campaigns are different, but the results are the same. Even Republicans are seeing this at the Legislative Branch, with the ouster of former Speaker John Boehner, for Paul Ryan, and the lack of any difference in the latter from the former. Just another case of a political “revolution” that wasn’t.
The GOP is the latest to see this disturbing trend, but the same can and will be said for Bernie Sanders, if he by way of favorable press, or Hillary Clinton’s incompetence, ascends to the Presidency of the United States.
I for one do not see any way in hell, the corporate fascist state would trust Mr. Sanders as the standard bearer, for the position of TeLePROMPTeR reader in chief. His war policy makes money for the contractors and interventionists in both parties, but his attack on corporations, even while being a military war hawk, just isn’t enough of a payoff to the corporate paymasters. The money primary has not been as kind to Bernie as Hilary. And the dirty secret is that the GOP would much rather prefer Hillary to Sanders or ANY candidate of the GOP, aside from somebody like Rubio. A welfarist, amnesty, corporation friendly war HAWK, of the highest order, who see’s ISIS, Russia, and even American citizens here in America as potential threats and worthy of surveillance, detention, and perhaps even death by drones, here in the good ol’ USA. Without a trial. And all in the name of upholding the Constitution.
Carly by far is the most bellicose and reckless in her lust for war as a means of diplomacy. Even going so far as to send the Navy not to the middle east, but to Russia! The very same Russia that IS wiping out ISIS as we speak!
That is the problem with limited minds, reduced to tough talking points, and advertising. They do NOT tell you a DAMN thing about how they will lead, handle adversity, PREVENT WAR, NOT inspire or provoke economic terrorism, or actual terrorism, both here and abroad.
The vastness of the emptiness of Carly’s positions, as well as her experience is precisely why she is NOT qualified to be on that stage in the 1st place. She never even held political office! And she wants to run against Hillary… Okay… But what if Hillary isn’t the nominee….
I know Sanders may seem like a pushover, but with the right VP, (Hillary) he can shore up his weaknesses with the corporate fascist state and be tenable… He can be the W. Bush to Hillary’s Dick Cheney. And give speeches, while she does all the dirty work.
Rubio and Cruz honestly DO cancel each other out. One is extreme left, the other is extreme right, socially. But they agree on almost everything else.
The only variable is Trump. Which is why the GOP is declaring war on him. There is NOTHING to stop Trump from running 3rd party and buying access. He has barely spent ANY of his own money, up to this point. Relying on free media advertising. And because he makes money for the corporations, with ratings, he can always have his megaphone. While other candidates, like Rand Paul, are left in the phone-booth, cold calling voters in vain.
This is a testament to just how limited the people’s options and voices truly are in the political process. You get who is delivered to you, TOLD what to think about them, and then slowly made to conform to the prevailing general wisdom, of the status quot.
And then it is wrapped up in advertising disguised as media and campaign talking points, and you pick the best ad campaign, instead of best candidate. This was made apparent in 2008 when the Obama Campaign won the Advertising Award of the year, and it was a political campaign. Not a campaign about a corporate product to be sold to market… At least from what we were told…
Since that campaign Obama has been exposed for what he is. A sponsor of the corporate rape and pillaging of the United States and other nations across this land. Where control of resources, and denial of control of resources are the sole function and purpose of government, aside from securing corporate profits from the public, and making them dependent on the government for anything and everything, while the shrinking working class, has to pay for it. While corporations are exempt.
Even Rand Paul, the sanest voice in the madhouse, was not immune to corporate ass kissing, and order taking. His tax policy, his corporate friendly brown-nosing of the underclass, and even at times his own supporters, made him try to seem as exasperated as the corporate masters were, that the people expected anything from them, and government at all. This resentment of their own voters is something that is building up in both parties, and has already boiled up in the electorate. To the point that somebody like Trump and Sanders are gaining traction, one for wanting to be the premier authoritarian, while the other, satisfied to use the mechanisms of government to make it as authoritarian as it needs to be, to meet his political ends.
In that BOTH Trump and Sanders are unwitting Uber Allies. Working apart, but together for ironically the same goal. One to use government to achieve his own ends, Sanders, while the other, Trump, to NOT use government to limit his own ends.
Government does not work anymore for the common man. But either candidate is happy to see to it, that government doesn’t work for the people at all. Just work the people. Work them to create profit. To organize into ideological (if not literal) camps. And work against the aims of the other party. While the silent majority can “Join or Die.”
There is compulsion in either form. Not competition. Not innovation. Nothing that enhances or creates opportunity for the underclass or the middle class to achieve protected class status.
Where is the competition in providing services? Where is the solution to the credit/debt crisis? The monopolies, in money, insurance, health care, media, natural resources, private property, energy policy, etc, etc. The tyranny of the legal system that secures the rights of those who can afford it, and grants privileges on top of that, at the expense of those without sufficient wealth or property, who are left as debt slaves, and at any time can be incarcerated or impoverished if they get sick and can’t work. Or become expendable, in order for a company to profit, and lose not just their income, but their health care?
You will never see these questions posed or even asked because you are looking in the wrong place. Freedom doesn’t come at the hand of the oppressor. It comes from the hands of the oppressed, joining together, with like minded and aggrieved people, in common interest, for alternative reforms, for their own self preservation.
People like Hillary, Fiorina, Bush, Cruz, Rubio, even Sanders have benefited from this system of oppression, and are actively using their compliance and experience in preserving, protecting and defending this political, economic and legal system, which has served as a virus, afflicting the American people for far too long, as a qualification to lead that same system of oppression. When the Doctor with the lab coat comes with the lethal injection, you do NOT stay strapped in the chair, unless you choose to be a good, obedient citizen, and lend yourself to a good, obedient death.
You cannot fight and preserve your existence by walking into the office, consenting to being strapped down, and injected. You can only do that by, choosing NOT TO GO, by your own FREE WILL, and if they try to force you, FIGHT BACK, RESIST, and hopefully other people follow your example to do the same.
Listening to the political siren song, will lead us unto oblivion.
We are pretty much already there.
If you are ready to try to preserve your own life, and that of your family, the 1st step is NOT listening to the DAMN oppressors for what to do next. You have to listen to yourself and each other. Because only YOU care about YOU! And the only way you are going to have enough resources to preserve yourself, is if those like you bring their resources on board to defend each of you in an alliance of self interest.
The powerful have been in an alliance preserving, protecting, defending, and growing their self interests for decades. It’s high time, we flip the script on the entitled pigs like Fiorina and her klan of madmen, and did what we could, with what we have, to keep ourselves going. As their confidence game of infinite corruption and welfare at the expense of the poor, the working class, the environment, and basic morality, meets it’s logical and mathematical end.
It’s time to turn the page…
And write a new one…
This is something the political class does not understand.
But the people know quite well…
If I was the political class, the corporate wealth class and anybody who served them…
I’d take the money… and RUN!